Thanks for your reply, Jim. It is Heaven. Great is his wisdom, marvelous are his ways, and the extent of his doings none can find out. Christ came, in their ignorance, not having salvation declared unto them. But truly the glory of the heavenly is one kind, and that of the earthly is another. satisfieth the demands of his justice upon all those who have not the law given to This final resurrection will take place after the Millennium. Godin his abundantmercy for his deceased childrenregards each and every one ofthem as if they arestill alive in the flesh. The plain meaning of the Greek in verse 29 is that some people are being baptized The middle degree is called the "Terrestrial Kingdom." The lowest degree is called the "Telestial Kingdom." The kingdom which most people would call "hell" is called by the Lord "outer darkness." After three weeks of suffering he sent for the elders of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. People will inherit the Terrestrial Kingdom for the following reasons (see Doctrine and Covenants 76:72-79): The Spirit World is located here on earth in what could be termed another dimension. We who have received the fulness of the Gospel of the Son of God, or the Kingdom of heaven that has come to earth, are in possession of those laws . What would be the point of thisdynamicongoing program of spiritual instruction inthings pertaining to the Kingdomof God ifthose in the lower kingdoms of glory are incapable of growth and improvement? Mosiah 16:10-11 - Even this mortal shall put on immortality, and this corruption In the Church we are taught the laws of celestial worlds, which are more stringent than those of a telestial world, and terrestrial is somehow a compromise between those 2 main levels. 2012, Doctrine and Covenants 76:7180, 91, 97, Doctrine and Covenants 76:8190, 98106, 109112, Elder Oaks Interview Transcript from PBS Documentary, Fundamental Premises of Our FaithTalk Given by Elder DallinH. Oaks at Harvard Law School, President Packer Interview Transcript from PBS Documentary. These are they who deny not the Holy Spirit. Diversity and Unity in The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, Environmental Stewardship and Conservation, Joseph Smiths Teachings about Priesthood, Temple, and Women, Peace and Violence among 19th-Century Latter-day Saints, The Manifesto and the End of Plural Marriage, Translation and Historicity of the Book of Abraham. Yes but we have such great examples of their prophets and their 144,000 chosen with Chad Daybell & his seductress & co-murderer Lori Vallow Daybell. The location of the Celestial Kingdom will be here on earth after the earth is changed. take possession of their houseand these shall be cast out into outer darkness; there resurrection. What are the 4 winds of the earth? who have part in the first resurrection; and these are they that have died before be judged of him according to their works whether they be good or whether they be Diversity and Unity in The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, Environmental Stewardship and Conservation, Joseph Smiths Teachings about Priesthood, Temple, and Women, Peace and Violence among 19th-Century Latter-day Saints, The Manifesto and the End of Plural Marriage, Translation and Historicity of the Book of Abraham. Apostle Bruce R. McConkie didn't like the idea of progression from kingdom to kingdom at all and condemned it in an address as a "deadly heresy" (https://speeches.byu.edu/talks/bruce-r-mcconkie/seven-deadly-heresies/) but I don't know that his one talk negates everything else said by prophets and apostles who preceded him. . Paul spoke of the differing glories, comparing them to the differences in light we see from the sun, moon, and stars (1 Cor. The sun is brighter than the stars, but I still enjoy stargazing. The earth is progressing towards celestialization. My what stood out, and what I loved in Come Follow Me for the week What you fail to understandis that the Book of Mormonsdeath of the mortal body doesnot take place in the eyes of God until the time whenvicarious ordinance work for the dead finally comes to an end at the time of the last resurrection and final judgement. Those in this kingdom will dwell forever in the presence of God the Father and His Son Jesus Christ. These are those who have made eternal marriage covenants on earth, rather than covenants that cease with death. Might as well read Tolkien. Elder Orson Pratt said, "All the wicked who are entirely overcome by these malicious spirits will have the heavenly principle of love wholly Eradicated from their minds, and they will become angels to these infernal fiends, being captivated by them, and compelled to act as they act. Perhaps it is relevant to this thread, as well: If one's view is that s/he simply ceases to exist entirely and succumbs to the void immediately upon shuffling off this mortal coil, then perhaps the biggest surprise to him or her will simply be continuing to exist upon doing so: "Wow! Those who profess to follow Christ or the prophets but willfully reject the gospel, the testimony of Jesus, the prophets, and the everlasting covenant will inherit the telestial kingdom (see D&C 76:99-101). also have eternal life. of you that ye do not procrastinate the day of your repentance until the end; for after One interpretation is that the earth itself is living a celestial law* but the inhabitants on it are abiding more of a telestial order of things. The inhabitants of the telestial kingdom will suffer the wrath of God and be cast into hell until the end of the Millennium (see D&C 76:84, 104-6; 2 Nephi 28:15). can be no labor performed. Welcome to the board! Our understanding of other doctrines supports that physical death isn't the last chance for repentance either. souls of the wicked, yea, in darkness, and a state of awful, fearful looking for the In the runup to Christ's coming and at His coming, it will become terrestrial, as everyone on the earth at that time must be able to abide at least terrestrial glory. The earth will become an eternal inheritance of those who have lived worthy of a celestial glory (Doctrine and Covenants 88: 14-26). The heavens were opened to him, and he saw the celestial kingdom. The Plan of Salvation as taught by The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (Mormonism) holds that Heaven is divided into three separate kingdoms of glory (each of which contains "many mansions). For salvation cometh to none such; for the Lord :). hath redeemed none such; yea, neither can the Lord redeem such; for he cannot deny The planets Mercury, Venus, Earth, and Mars, are called terrestrial because they have a compact, rocky surface like Earth's terra firma. . While he's entitled to his opinions regarding our history, our doctrine, our practices, and so on, you're not likely to get thoughts from him which match those who are in the mainstream of the Church of Jesus Christ. Telestial Kingdom is a big upgrade from our world. and the lake of fire and brimstone, which is endless torment; and they are restored 66.6 percent of anyone who lived on the earth will obtain the Telestial Kingdom" -Adam of Old Testament These laws were recently released. never-ending torment.". And remember that the text of Doctrine and Covenants 76 tells us it doesnot providethe last word when it comes to theplan of salvation and the heavenlyglories that lie in futurity. Either way, he certainly does not Those who enter into the telestial kingdom, where their glories differ as do the stars of heaven in their magnitude, and who are innumerable as the sands of the seashore, are the ungodly, the filthy who suffer the wrath of God on the earth, who are thrust down to hell where they will be required to pay the uttermost farthing before their It embraces those who on earth willfully reject the gospel of Jesus Christ, and commit serious sins such as murder, adultery, lying, and loving to make a lie (but yet do not commit the unpardonable sin), and who do not repent in mortality. The Telestial Kingdom an extension of earth life with the veil simply being lifted minus satan and his demons. :O) Thanks for your reply. Mosiah 2:38-39 - "Therefore if that man repenteth not, and remaineth and dieth an Then, at the end of the Millennium, the earth will be cleansed again, and will become celestial. You should hear how he mistreated his fellow men and fellow women!" Christ describes it as mansions. enemy to God, the demands of divine justice do awaken his immortal soul to a lively Two, he preached to the spirits in prison. Although those men and women are dead, they have a good deal of power; their spirits have power over us when we render ourselves subject to them; their spirits are busy at work. resurrection, or have eternal life, being redeemed by the Lord. The telestial kingdom is the lowest kingdom and is compared to the brightness of the stars. I would guess most people hear butterfly, they are thinking of the form though. According to the Doctrine and Covenants those who will inherit this kingdom are those who: A common question asked by members is whether it is possible for someone to eventually move from Telestial to Terrestrial glory, or, relatedly, from Terrestrial to Celestial glory. the tares, that the wheat may be secured in the garners to possess eternal life, and be Kingdoms of Glory. August 10, 2021 in General Discussions. their bands made strong, that they may be burned with unquenchable fire". Always better to err on the side of caution and claim divinity in my opinion. on behalf of those who have diedand if there is no resurrection, why are they doing this? Some of the selfish wrongly believe that there is no divine law anyway, so there is no sin (see 2 Ne. The Telestial kingdom comprises subdivisions; this also is the case, we are told, with the Celestial; and, by analogy, we conclude that a similar condition prevails in the Terrestrial. The Terrestrial kingdom is symbolically represented as the moon. Maybe all of what I just wrote only happens in the Spirit World before the Final Judgement and not after one has been assigned a kingdom but in my mind it seems consistent with the justice and mercy of God to allow for it in the lower kingdoms, even if it is a much slower process than it would have been if repentance and obedience to Celestial Laws had occurred in mortality or the Spirit World. Apologetics, Law (not licensed), Reading (Re: 2nd Coming of Late), Writing (Published: Deseret News, SL Trib, New Era, Utah Peace Officer), Suffice it to say, there's more good even in people whom many would consider to be the worst among us and more bad even in people whom many would consider to be the best among us. Yes, I agree with those words, but they don't really do much to explain what those words mean. 41:6; 42:4, 10; 2 Nephi 9:25-27). Such is the grace of God to those who rejected Christ, but did not deny the Holy Ghost. 6 For for this cause was the gospel preached also to them that are dead, that they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit. I was not expecting that! shall it come to pass, that the spirits of the wicked, yea, who are evilfor behold, In January 1836 the Prophet Joseph Smith received a revelation that expanded his understanding of the requirements to inherit celestial glory. Many modern prophets and apostles have spoken both for and against the idea of progressing from kingdom to kingdom. Thanks for your reply. In Mormonism the glory of the Telestial Kingdom is compared to that of the stars. shall put on incorruption, and shall be brought to stand before the bar of God, to this day of life, which is given us to prepare for eternity, behold, if we do not D&C 88:25 "the earth abideth the law of a celestial kingdom," Ben Adam translates it to perfect English. there is no condemnation the mercies of the Holy One of Israel have claim upon them, So I tell them that they need to be a law-abiding citizen, wherever they live, if they want to endure the return of our Lord. 2, Dec 1919, p 165). The Lord has described those who will inherit the telestial kingdom. He further said, "There are myriads of disembodied evil spiritsthose who have long ago laid down their bodies here and in the regions round about, among and around us; and they are trying to make us and our children sick, and are trying to destroy us and to tempt us to evil. because of the atonement; for they are delivered by the power of him. If we live a higher law, we will receive a higher kingdom. Mosiah 15:22-27 - "And now, the resurrection of all the prophets, and all those that that have wilfully rebelled against God, that have known the commandments of God, and Obviously none of us want to go there but I am curious. Apologetics, Law (not licensed), Reading (Re: 2nd Coming of Late), Writing (Published: Deseret News, SL Trib, New Era, Utah Peace Officer). Those who are not members of the church do not live in the telestial kingdom. They are raised to dwell with God who has redeemed them; thus they have However, as far as I am aware, there isn't disagreement about opportunity to progress, repent, and change in the Postmortal Spirit World. Nope, it only has potential to become one. This should be your goal: to inherit celestial glory and to help others receive that great blessing as well. Hard for me to imagine a planet our Lord created not doing what he created it to do. Ye cannot say, when ye are brought to that awful crisis, Men and women who inherit the Telestial kingdom will not be cohabitating partners in the next realm. Imagine if tomorrow you and everyone else woke up immortal. And to this I say why not?